@Imogene/Lanne ITA. I knew that he was. Harry chose somebody who remind him of his mother’s best traits. And if I got it right he had to dealwith the interview alone. What kind of regrets, if any, he has. Unfortunately, narcissism isn’t treatable, which is why I have a bit of sympathy *if* that is indeed the case with William, as it is caused by childhood mistreatment and grooming. And notice that the article says William fought with his mother the last 2 years of her life, which means he was abusive from about 10 to 11 years old so thats a huge red flag. They turn their hurt into anger, rage, violence, and abuse, and they direct it at others. It’s probably too late now. Trying to make excuses for William because Diana allegedly spoke to him more is a minor distinction when those two major events happened to both Harry and William equally. Prince William and Prince Harry were photographed inside their nursery at Apartments 8 and 9 at Kensington Palace in October 1985. We’re all saying we understand a 13 year old boys reaction to his mother doing it. Could those fights (if they happened) not simply be teenager symptoms. Billy is just a bully at this point and no one is to blame except himself. In a statement, Kensington Palace said the Duke of Cambridge has tentatively welcomed the inquiry, saying: ‘The independent investigation is a step in the right direction. Having said that I don’t know what the true nature of his marriage to Kate is. And unfortunately it seems to be coming out as adult. Here is where I really do feel sorry for William, as horrible a person as I think he is. So yeah, I can’t fault William for blowing up at his mom and Diana deserved it to some extent. I understand William must have been hurt by his parents actions back then, which is why I’m so disappointed in how he’s turned out. He apologised to his mother the next day and presented her with a small bunch of flowers, but Diana sensed that some profound and irretrievable damage had been done. Back then, we just thought, oh right, mother and son are cut from the same fiery, temperamental cloth. William has always been an obstinate, pompous sh*t. I think that is a bit much to say about a 4 year old, regardless of who we know he would grow up to be. He doesn’t get a pass for being a teenager. Why not report on his reaction to his father’s interview? Please watch the footage from the 1986 doc and tell me that is not a misogynist in the making! Except I don’t see any articles about Harry being a screaming abusive misogynist? All this trauma is most likely unresolved in Will and I can’t imagine what he is really like to be around. Prince William talks about losing his mother in new interview about mental health 'You feel pain like no other pain' Olivia Petter @oliviapetter1. The raging started early.. In turn, I think she leant too much on William than was appropriate (because she was essentially alone) – and as someone who has been parentified by a parent, it is really something that fucks you up. Princesses aren’t supposed to be people after all. I have even said on this very post in other comments that William’s childhood does not excuse his actions now. Does he not think about his own children and how they would react to his actions? I’m happy Kate and her family are with kids, I have hope kids will have better upbringing. Ultimately William found a Diana opposite in kate and made sure she was willing to accept his behaviour, no matter what, without all the complaining . But it’s clear he hasn’t. I have a feeling that he sort of hates his mother and blames her for everything. Because she should have put her children first and because she knew her children were likely hurt and embarrassed by their father’s interview. Emotional abuse can traumatize a child long-term in the same ways physical abuse can, and I think we see that clearly in William, Harry, Charles…so many of these rich people raised in cold, mean, manipulative families. Different story but a 13 year old being embarrassed and angry at his parent is nothing new or anything out of the ordinary. He’s mean. It’s also worth pointing out that they are a lot younger than Charles and Camilla – its not really fair to compare someone’s failings at 72 to someone who is 38. I love that Meghan succeeded. Thank you! I do believe however that his childhood and how he suffered does not give him an excuse to act the way he does as an almost 40 year old man. I think William resents that part of Diana and is embarrassed by it, because he absolutely sees things from their perspective. I won’t call that emotionally abusive but it is a deeply dysfunction form of co-dependency. Charles apparently was able to stop the program from being run. Kate Middleton wows in monochrome as the Cambridges attend the panto, Kate Middleton pays tribute to Princess Diana with festive red look, Why Princess Diana chose Uptown Girl for her opera house performance, * Sign up to the EVOKE.ie survey panel to trial free products and win prizes for your opinions! As if that still isn’t mortifying? In general, I think people want to understand how this happens to a person so that they can understand how to help keep other children from turning into rage-filled adults who can’t process emotion properly, like William. The interview led to so many dominoes falling – shortly after the interview aired, Diana and Charles began divorce proceedings and… yeah, everything that came with that and after that. I think both parents did a major disservice to their children by having their fights via interviews and the media. William reacted like the child he was in an emotionally abusive situation. At some point, people need to stop making excuses for William and his current behavior. He uses George now to help his image, that’s only going to continue and get worse as time goes on. That’s what this curious Daily Mail piece is about – it’s partly a rehash of all of those old stories, and how perhaps William is now, currently, thinking differently about all of those fights he had with his mother. Maybe that’s true. He knows first hand how stuff like this hurts, and yet he still manage to surpass his parents in the worst possible way. William was groomed since birth to be a future King. Burrell wrote that Frances would get drunk and scream at Diana about dating Dr. Khan because he was a Muslim. People are complex. Also the whole trauma he survived. I sided with Diana, but that interview was a lot (I couldn’t watch it at the time because of secondhand embarrassment – Diana really laid it on and the kohl around her eyes …). Exactly! I realize she wanted to get her side of the story out there but Andrew Morton’s book had already come out at that point. Harry & William remember Diana in different ways: Harry has always been uncritically proud to tread in his mother’s footsteps. Moreover, there are no reports of Harry raising his voice at his mother, none. The Cambridge kids are mostly raised by Kate Carole so while they might have their faults they know how to care and be a close-knit family so for me there IS hope. They are taught that hostility is the only acceptable emotion to show. Imagine the guilt that would come from that? You can tell in all the footage from when they were kids that he had serious issues with women! I don’t know, maybe he didn’t go to therapy and is unaware of his actions. I really think the main thing that protected Harry WAS that he was the spare, so he was less important, and got less attention from BOTH of his parents. I would say pushing your daughter to essentially stalk a man and allegedly purposely taking your daughter’s boyfriend side during fights with your daughter just cause he’s a prince is toxic but to each their own. He is the elder son of Charles, Prince of Wales, and Diana, Princess of Wales, and since birth has been second ... SCAN-TELE-01284258 Like “see Diana was a bad parent” and deflect from all the ways Charles was guilty in the marriage, especially since it just discusses Diana’s interview and not Charles’. I don’t even remember his name for this reason alone! Diana got the Queen’s approval for the yacht vacation, she and the boys could not have gone otherwise. So no word on Will’s reaction to the Camilla/Charles tampongate? He’s not much different than Trump. Giving that interview was protection. Diana did not deserve it If she did then Charles sure did. I don’t think Will and Harry were unhappy during their vacation on the Al Fayed yacht. It’s normal/common and therapy is always a good thing with the right therapist. Prince William celebrated his 38th birthday and Father's Day this past weekend, and based on the photos Kate Middleton shared on Instagram of the duke with their children—Prince George, Princess Charlotte, and Prince Louis—it was a joyous time for the Cambridges. No it was a blatant slap in the face! They are projections of our fantasies. Harry had none of this and likely only felt part of a family once he served so really Harry had less “help” and managed to become a better man. He just seems like a bad person who was raised in the absolute worst way you could raise someone to help them overcome their bad traits, and then also had a bunch of trauma heaped on him at an early age which caused him to lean into his worst traits even more in order to deal with the trauma. When he saw my family in action, he was amazed we could disagree, have hot words, and then move on. And we don’t know the whole story about William. Explains it, but again, does not justify it. A 13 year old being embarrassed and angry by his mother is not misogyny. I honestly think that the way the Windsors manage the Family/Firm as is essentially emotionally abusive – it isn’t a coincidence that this family has produced deeply damaged, even broken people over several generations. Prince William and his younger brother, Prince Harry, candidly spoke out about their mother, Princess Diana, in a new documentary about the … @Becks which I completely understand and have sympathy for both of them considering the childhood they had. I am sad for him that his family of origin is so abusive. Well I can’t fault William the Teenager for acting out the way he did. Photo: © Getty Images 1 /8 Princess … margin-top: 10px; William only care about William. Philip was said to call his son the Missing Link when he watched Charles public confession. I very much separate current William from child William in my mind. William needs to walk the walk before he talks the talk. Harry and Diana are Mavericks, whilst Willie and Charles remain committed to their aristocratic upbringing. ‘Is that really necessary?’ she asked him. I think kids hold moms to higher standards anyway. He didn't like being fussed over and he didn't like that his mother was growing closer to Dodi." Prince William had such a special relationship with his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, that he has committed to being the same kind of warm, hands-on parent she was. All of his anger seems to have went to Diana. The Prince of Wales is back on track—aristocratic family man and mistresses on the side, as it should be. Dad? He wanted to go to Balmoral like he did every summer. Wasn’t Charles’ interview the night of the “revenge dress?” So Diana “upstaged” him yet again and his interview was probably not as well remembered as that dress. My hubby, got some help and has learned how to express anger better . When I was a teenager I was *horrible* to my parents at times, as were most of my friends. Why doesn’t the press bring up the fathers many manipulations? However it doesn’t make Harry’s experience any less harrowing or bad. Charles would be with Camilla somewhere before and after Diana died. I’m wondering if Diana had lived, if he would had sort of gone back and forth between isolating himself from her and then from Charles, and back again. As I keep saying, most of the Princess Diana headlines these days are merely old stories repackaged for a new generation. But to my boys, I was always their mother and their parent so I would never excuse child to parent abuse of any kind. I find the BRF fascinating and always have (from over here in Canada) but wow they have made so many horrible mistakes that have been very detrimental to the mental health and happiness of their members. A 13-year-old putting his hands on and shoving his mother however, is quite something though. Still an asshole. Is wills trying to put distance between himself and his mother (he knew how manipulative she was—that’s gross to me). They might have been present for the same event but that doesn’t mean they experienced it the same way (I think the only exception would be her death & funeral). Totally agree with your comment about the ED. Diana died in a car accident in Paris just a year later, in August 1997. Being strategic or manipulative are two sides of the same coin. The BBC interview destroyed a lot: It ended her marriage, her royal-ness and — fatally, as it turned out in Paris — her cocoon of royal protection. text-align: center; He was 13 and that would have been mortifying. They either use others to express their anger through, or became martyrs. As a result, they are all crazy. Diana also admitted to her affair with Captain James Hewitt during the interview and it was watched by 23 million people and sent shockwaves through the Royal Family. Cheating, lies and paying games with the press lead to so much heartache, so why is he a cheater now? But in this version of events, Kate (Diana) stays, she doesn’t divorce, she doesn’t speak out, and she doesn’t die. Some people might also be upset with William for his reaction….not taking into consideration that he was just 13 years old. I think Harry is very proud of his mother while William views her as an embarrassment. I don’t expect a kid to think about the double standard or the way we regularly give men a pass for things we excoriate women for. Because that’s what he was, just a kid. She and her brother made up. But I wonder if he ever did sympathize with Diana and then it was sort of indoctrinated out of him after she died and he was engulfed fully by the RF and their ways of thinking and their extreme narcissism. There is a lot to criticize Normal Bill about — being freaked out about this particular interview doesn’t seem like it. The things these people write in these dumb tabloid pieces are often just unfathomably stupid and short-sighted. It’s abundantly clear that his misogyny and racism began at a young age. Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, KG, KT, PC, ADC is a member of the British royal family. Sorry no. I’m just pointing out that Charles is abhorrent because I don’t see William throwing George under the bus. Prince William is the first member of the Royal Family to comment on claims his mother Princess Diana was “tricked” into giving the BBC an interview. "William has had to make peace with his painful memories of his mother's despair over her divorce," said the insider. Unfortunately, it resulted in scarring William. Maybe William was mad at both of them, which he has every right to be, but this is spun to make Diana look like the only one spilling secrets. @Liz: and I have said I have full sympathy for the childhood that he had. In the photo, Diana sits with her arm around Harry as William gives his mother … . The Duke of Cambridge visited the Royal Marsden Hospital in Sutton to launch a fundraiser for the Oak Cancer Centre, a research and treatment facility, to help … He has the happy family he always wanted, no one leaves and makes him feel abandoned, and no one dies. Her protection officer died suddenly a year or two before and she truly believed the royal family had him killed! I think he’s recreating the past but hoping to win the game this time. He’s almost 40 and his issues are his own because he hasn’t done anything, like therapy, to deal with them. } I’ve been wondering when, exactly, those “almost five years” that Charles “practically never saw Camilla” supposedly took place? I’m not saying it’s right or fair, but I can easily see how William would hate his mother for doing something his father did. The Prince said he welcomed the independent inquiry set up by the … It's also not a coincidence, I imagine, that after the ceremony, William and Kate rode to Buckingham Palace in the same carriage that carried Prince … Charles may have his passions but he repeatedly threw BOTH of his SONS under the bus for his advantage. I remember her hopeful response in an engagement interview when she said, “with Charles by my side, I won’t go wrong…” Only thing was, Charles wasn’t by her side. Boys will be boys the saying goes. } Then he takes her for 6 weeks to Balmoral at the end of their honeymoon and never makes any effort to try to see what interests her and find some common ground. Their brokenness manifests as anger and sadness just like any other broken persons would, but because they’re good people, they turn that anger and sadness inwards, rather than outwards where it can hurt other people. Even his own wife. Diana did not treat William as a “friend.” If anything she was stricter with him than Charles was (before and after DIana died). Harry has spoken about getting it but William hasn’t, despite his platform of destigmatizing mental health issues for men. William and Harry said they spoke to her about a day or two before she died. Harry was groomed to be fall guy. I’ve said it before on this site, the three of them – Dad & the two brothers- have got to do family therapy. But at the end of the day, Prince William and Prince Harry are both biological children of Prince Charles. Same parents, same upbringing, same family, same institution, same pain and trauma, same emotional abuse, same huge trauma events (public interviews from both parents, divorce of parents, infidelity of both parents, death of mother, lack of any emotional support after that death, walking behind the coffin, drinking and drugging early, being sent away to school early). At least Kate just “stalked” and stayed with William, was lazy but genuinely likes kids. The point is, Diana was traumatized and damaged. Cambridges might be petty but Charles is another level. The tampon phone call was a obtained from an illegal tap if I remember correctly? Diana only thought about the effect the interview would have after she did it: According to Simone Simmons, the Princess’s confidante and faith-healer, it took a phone call from William’s Eton housemaster, Dr Andrew Gailey, to prompt Diana. Evem when he was 4 his issues with women were so obvious. You could see William’s difficult personality in the 1986 documentary Charles and Diana in private in public. @Sofia- I don’t think sympathizing with the child who endured abuse equates to excusing horrible adult behavior. William married a superficial person who is praised for her hair and clothes. I’ve never heard of William shouting at his father for his interview, which preceded Diana’s. He’s withholding and sneaky and manipulative and cares most about getting what he wants and being treated as the future King he thinks he is. Diana, Princess of Wales (born Diana Frances Spencer; 1 July 1961 – 31 August 1997), was a member of the British royal family. Grandma? The parentification, the oversharing, the covert abuse, no wonder he was so angry. I bet when they were with the Windsors they probably highlighted this to the boys, and no i dont feel the Windsors were above parent alienation. But they struck young teenager William at an especially vulnerable moment. No. That reaction seems entirely age-appropriate and appropriate to the situation, depending on the child’s personality. But to see it was unbelievable. An unearthed video from Princess Diana's life shows her playful bond with her son Prince William. I am curious, if the footage is indeed from when he was 4 years old, where would these ‘serious issues with women’ have arisen from? I think the relationships and pressures extended upon him are were inappropriate for a child to endure, from her, Charles and other members of the RF. Literature is full of men gaining redemption after cheating. Honestly raise your hand if you wouldn’t have been mad too. And if all of this traumatised him as a child then why does he act the same way now? Diana would not have been proud to say the least of William engineering the Flybe stunt to put down his brother. William got to present a new covid vaccine produced by Britain, why does he get to slap his name on everything it’s so annoying. A story that shows the negative impact of Diana’s interview on William. It’s just about understanding a kids visceral reaction to his mom. I’m sure Diana needed to do what she did for her own peace of mind and mental health (and the public did have a right to know how shitty the Windsors were to her), but how incredibly damaging and hurtful for those boys. I agree that W+K have done less wrong things than Charles and Camilla, but they’ve done less things in general. We close comments on older posts to fight comment spam. I got the feeling that Harry was the driving force behind the 20th anniversary of her Diana not William. He needs help because Wills has kids too. As was splashed to the world thanks in part to Daily Mail’s hacking scandal. In addition to her being a guest at step-brother Prince Harry's wedding to Meghan Markle in 2018, both Prince William and Harry made sure they were present when Lopes said "I … And for more on William's late mother, check out The 6 Biggest Unanswered Questions Surrounding Princess Diana's Death. William and Harry both had parents who had a bitter public divorce and their mother tragically died. Or maybe William screamed at his mom from a very young age. That a child is born into a role that they “must” play and that they are so public from the beginning. Because the Windsors don’t believe in introspection or therapy, both things these boys desperately needed and still need today. I hope the Cambridge kids and the other young children in the BRF are having better upbringings with more love, and less covert abuse. He is said to have been keeping an eye on the proceedings and ‘believes things are moving in the right direction.’, ‘The BBC has kept him informed appropriately,’ they said. I think people who are genuinely mean asshole, bad people will take any childhood abuse and trauma and direct their brokenness outwards: hitting out, lashing out, screaming out. I feel like this article is so pointless, even if everything about it was true. And that may be another factor; people that you’re closer to have far more power to upset and disappoint than people with whom you have an emotional distance. When your entire life and family is the same thing as your very public work, EVERYTHING is PR all the time. A 13 year old boy raging at his mother? Lots of people had abusive childhoods. Guilt is a terrible thing to live with. Diana was doing the best she could in a horribly toxic situation. Not an excuse for his behavior, but an explanation. ‘All hell broke loose,’ Diana told Simmons the following Monday. Didn’t Charles do an interview also? He didn’t need judgement for this, he needed support and stability and the space to be a kid. Just think how proud William will be the first time George publicly stabs his sister in the back. Not surprising how he turned out. he started shouting and crying and when she tried to put her arms around him, he shoved her away.’ Diana was getting an unpleasant personal experience of William’s notorious temper. But beyond that, the interview also had an extraordinary impact on her elder son, William. The fact that Harry got help and William didn’t shows what kind of character each has. Prince William said he was “delighted” to follow in his mother’s footsteps as he laid a foundation stone at the country’s largest cancer hospital. Between the ages of 14-16 i went through it with my mom. She is as responsible for what he turned out to be as Charles is. Prince William got candid about how trauma from his mother's death resurfaced when George was born this link is to an external site that may or may not meet accessibility guidelines. The dad had a heart issue and the mom would say “you’ll kill your father,” if they raised their voices or wanted to do things their way. And yeah, except for their wealth and excellent jewelry..the entire batch of The Firm and most of their relatives are in need of therapy. Kids tend to have really black and white moral compasses as this age as well. Their homes must have been a cesspool of toxicity with the infidelity, jealousy over popularity, bulimia and finger pointing etc despite trappings of wealth and status. I think his parents coddled him and after Diana died his father coddled William and threw Harry under a bus. And his mom died only 2 years later. Saturday 18 May 2019 18:05. I’m hoping with Kate and Carol’s influence, these children will be a lot closer to each other than most of those royal families. But no, I have to read about how Diana ruined everything while poor Charles just didn’t know what to do, poor lamb. People have worse childhoods much worse but they don’t throw their brother and sister in law under a bus. Diana took them to the Caribbean, to Disney World and so on so they were not just in the city. It has nothing to do with gender, men and women can be both. The Princes have continued their mother's legacy within their own charity work and William became president of The Royal Marsden in 2007. William as a child was quite manipulative. This time, it’s going to end how he wants. William cried watching the interview: Before the 58 minutes ended, William was weeping. Make sure you never miss a ROYAL story! . Kate Middleton’s mother, Carole Middleton is reportedly the reason she and Prince William ended up tying the knot. (Dr zhivago for ex). Now we wonder why he’s turned against his brother. Yikes. I mean, it goes without saying that a parent should probably ask themselves, “is this publicly televised interview going to irreparably damage my relationship with my child or children?” and/or “is what I’m about to say/do going to hurt my child/children in someway”? Was Charles expected to chase him and apologize? I agree with you. Charles gave an aired interview explaining about his affair with Camilla 18 months before Diana gave her interview. He has to deal with the public reaction of the world to his mom. Might also be a problem in his upbringing. See from this thread many people empathising with Cain. She was the first wife of Charles, Prince of Wales, the heir apparent to the British throne, and was the mother of Prince William and Prince Harry. A moms betrayal feels worse because we lived inside her body and have a literal life connection to her. Combined with the stiff upper lip ethos and likely an aversion to therapy, it explains the narcissism, the view of himself as the victim in the Harry/Meghan situation. ‘He was furious . If every time he saw his mom it ended in a fight then she dies unexpectedly (and in the nature that she did), and now you can’t say sorry? She didn’t need to do that interview. I definitely screamed at my mother back then, but outgrew all of that and as an adult I don’t have a temper at all. We knew, years ago, that William was incredibly mad at his mother about all of it. He’s reliving the whole thing in order to “fix” the ending. I could see him (or anyone similar) shutting down & not knowing where to direct that anger. Why doesn’t he treat Kate better? I wonder how Williams feels knowing his mother passed and how he behaved towards her. With Charles, I see him justifying his actions as a way to later fulfill good deeds and be a good king. I sincerely hope for the children’s sake that I’m wrong, I really do. Does it excuse William completely? William went for someone who would not overshadow him. William… has not. But he’s still raging at father, KP and brother. From what I am gathering from the comments here alone is that Harry was shielded from a lot of the crap both parents put on William. What kind of BS is that? But this is about a 13 year old boy’s reaction. The 37-year-old prince has clearly come to accept his fate as future King, but that doesn't mean he's forgotten his mother's anguish over the resolutely cold treatment she received from the Palace. @Sofia exactly, i’m with you. The choice of spouse of each brother is rather telling. I don’t blame him for being upset – it must have been very hard to have your parents divorce play out as publicly as it did – but that said, this article is interesting because it reads very close to Lacey’s description of the incident, and I also find it interesting that the Mail is being so open about William’s “notorious temper.”. I remember reading a quote that after Diana’s death, the two boys were absorbed and programmed into the family and they were “fully Windsorized,” something that would not have happened had Diana lived. He had a messed up childhood. But maybe that’s just William. He needs therapy that much is obvious. I think even with harry, he’s somehow detached his feeling for him. It’s her responsibility to deal with the trauma she alone just put her child through. He directed his anger at mom because who else was he going to direct it at? Thankfully, Harry has the personality or whatever it is to allow him to reprogram himself (and get the help he needed to do so). 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